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I'm sure this is not an extreme worry within the psytrance scene, but you can never be too careful. There have been recent reports of ladies getting dosed with Ketamine in their drinks at several local club nites (Death Guild @ glas kat for one).
If you are out and about and drinking, please don't let your drink out of your sight. And if you think you may have been dosed, find the club security or someone you trust immediately!
If you are out and about and drinking, please don't let your drink out of your sight. And if you think you may have been dosed, find the club security or someone you trust immediately!
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Re: Be careful with drinks!
Fri, February 17, 2006 - 4:53 PMthat is really not too cool. a person who would do this should be arrested on the spot. -
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Fri, February 17, 2006 - 5:19 PMketamine in ur body
is when u want it
u bad trip in drinks thats not cool
u dunno whats happenin with the fukn drink
;S
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Fri, February 17, 2006 - 9:08 PMWhy the fuck does this never happen to me?
Anyway, that sucks, but at least they've moved on from GHB - ketamine won't kill you when combined with alcohol. That's been a huge problem in Dallas for years now. This one chick was standing there talking to her friends and seemed to be just fine, but the next minute she fell down and was dead by the time they bent down to check on her. Creepy shit... -
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Fri, February 17, 2006 - 9:12 PMGod, what the hell is wrong with people? Why would anyone do that to some one?
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Sat, February 18, 2006 - 12:40 AMfor another angle, there was an incident at one of the frat houses at University of Colorado here in Boulder where some girls got really trashed, had to be taken to the hospital. They found GHB in their blood, there was a huge ruckus, the fraternity was shut down, bla bla the whole nine yards.. then like 3 months later they come out and say that the lab results were erroneous, there was NO ghb in the blood, just alcohol, everybody jumped the gun, and basically the whole thing is a bunch of hooey.. go figure.
but yeah this whole roofie bullshit sucks. happens all the time around here, afaik.
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Mon, March 5, 2007 - 7:46 AMi am 99% sure i was dosed friday at Karma. Wild stories of shit I do NOT do when just on alcohol and at the time i was told it all started, there is NO way I could have been capable of that. And need to find the "guy in the green shirt" I apparently walked off with to his car and came back disheveled....
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Mon, March 5, 2007 - 2:28 PMgod damn that as fucked up story !!! -
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Mon, March 5, 2007 - 2:31 PMyes after only 2 tiny drinks there is not a possible way I was blacked out and acting like a complete fool. I am so embarassed by the stories I have been told of me being verrrry horny and the only way I get to that state is on G. so.....I don't know. Just doing social damage control right now....
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Thu, February 23, 2006 - 11:09 AMEveryone should always keep an eye on their drinks :~)
As for dosing anyone with K via a beverage of any kind:
I had a chat with a friend that knows quite a bit about this particular substance. From that conversation I was told that the amount one would have to put into a beverage for the desired effect is about the equivalant of about a 1/4 cup, that would equate to about $150 worth of K and it would taste horrible. You'd have to be pretty trashed not to notice the taste. . . . . I find it unlikely that the substance these women have been dosed with is K. Oral consumption of K is not the most effecient use of the drug or ones money. . . . .this is not to say it hasn't happened, I just think that it's another drug they've been dosed with. . . . . -
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Fri, March 23, 2007 - 10:27 PM>>the amount one would have to put into a beverage for the desired effect is about the equivalant of about a 1/4 cup, that would equate to about $150 worth of K and it would taste horrible.>>
Your "friend" would be correct.
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Mon, March 5, 2007 - 3:24 PMi'm not so sure about the amount. k comes in a little ~20-30 mL glass bottle of injectable solution (usually). when this soln/ is dehydrated, it yeilds quite a bit of k, enough to, well, get a lot of people out of their minds. combine that with one or two drinks, and I think that all you need is about 1 or 2 milliliters, which most likely would not be tasted over alcohol. so, don't rule this substance out as a possible candidate. -
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Mon, March 5, 2007 - 3:54 PMfrom the vaults of erowid
>>>DOSAGE :
Due to its anaesthetic nature, K can produce wide ranging effects from different amounts. There seems to be a crucial line where the patient will lose grasp of his/her primary senses, and this will be termed a Line Dose. A further line exists where the patient will lose complete consciousness. In general, boosting is not adequate and it does not seem worthwhile to boost the original dose more than ten minutes after initial dose. General tolerance is appreciable and several weeks between uses are required to return to original tolerance. For most types, effects are linear with dose, and good experience can be had at low dosages.
ORAL DOSE :
A Line Dose is about 1.0 mg/lb. body mass. Anaesthetic doses are above 4.0 mg/lb. A maximum oral dose of 3 mg/lb. should be set for adequate recovery. Above line dose, increasing doses yield little psychedelic advantage except for greater temporary memory loss. A good first dose is 300-350 mg for average weight woman, and 350-375 mg for average weight men. A minimum dose of 150-175 mg will give a good psychedelic experience.
IM DOSE :
Intramuscular doses begin at perhaps .4 mg/lb. for a Line Dose. Anaesthetic doses to IM are about 1 mg/lb. Two injections should be made instead of one. Sterility of the bottle and needle are imperative. 100 mg seems to be a good IM dose for everyone. Expect soreness in the injection region for several days or weeks.
IV DOSE :
I do not recommend IV doses but have read reports of successful IV dosing. In the IV case you will probably lose motor control before you finish injecting so beware.
NASAL DOSE :
Nasal doses are highly unlinear next to oral and IM doses. The effects are quite different as well at low doses. At Line Doses, oral consumption is probably a better bet than nasal doses. A Line Dose nasally would again be about 1.0 mg/lb. A minimum dose nasally would be about .25 mg/lb, but will be short and much different from a comparable oral dose. 75-100 mg would be a good starter for most weights. Ketamine is relatively comfortable in the nasal region.<<<< -
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Mon, March 5, 2007 - 4:51 PMyeah and my ex was there and that is his very favorite thing besides GHB. He could have sold it to the guy that took me to his car. It's going to take a while to get over this. -
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Mon, March 5, 2007 - 5:43 PM"yeah and my ex was there and that is his very favorite thing besides GHB. He could have sold it to the guy that took me to his car. It's going to take a while to get over this."
that whole scenario sounds totally fucked
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Mon, March 5, 2007 - 6:30 PMagain, i can't agree with this. there's being looped on K, and then there's the k hole. I think being "looped" is enough make one disoriented enough to not be capable of decision making. i'm sure the dose on erwoid has got to be the mdeical dose, strong enough to incompacitate a person to not be able to move. I can tell you that if that article is right, and one "line-dose" is about one miligram, then by their reasoning a person would have to take 100-150 miligrams to have a very strong dose. this is quite a small amount (size of a dime) and could easily be put into someone's drink. furthermore, as far as an incompacitating oral dose being ~1/4 cup of liquid, well, that is most likely more than one vial, prolly sever vials. look at this picture. www.gatewaytoprevention.org/pics...e.jpg it clearly states 100mg/mL. all it would take is 3 mililiters to incompacitate a person. so, it could thus have very well beem K that was used in the crime. -
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Mon, March 5, 2007 - 6:35 PMwhat also sucks is my friends did notice my insane behavior and did nothing about it. I am not saying they are responsible but I have been around people and took care of them and KNEW when something was obviously not right. ya know? And then find the source or start looking around for suspicious characters.... I do not do drugs but used to, and know a lot about them. And know exactly when something is up with others.
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Mon, March 5, 2007 - 6:44 PMi was just posting that to help, really I was never a fan of K, and so I know hardly anything about it
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Mon, March 5, 2007 - 6:45 PMi have not either that i know of but maybe now...? I have a drug test possibly with a new job coming up and like i said, not worried, i dont do shit anymore but hope it is out of my system if anything is at at that point.
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Sun, March 18, 2007 - 4:29 PMMan, I wish someone would put ketamine in *my* drink.
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Fri, March 23, 2007 - 11:04 AMjacob you should be ashamed of yourself.....
this is a serious problem in the night club scene, i have had G put in my drink before when I was a gogo dancer and I know a girl that died in GA from something like this -
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Sun, April 1, 2007 - 9:51 AMOh, I 100% agree that it's a serious problem.
I joke about a lot of things that are serious problems. ;)
That said, it really seems like in this day and age there would be some sort of way to check a drink to see if it's been spiked. Like, some sort of drop of something that you can put in that changes colors if anything is put into it. Like a pill testing kit, but for drinks. You know.
The hard part would be coming up with a reagent that doesn't fuck up the drink.
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Fri, March 23, 2007 - 7:21 PMya i just read an article about two bartenders who witnessed a guy doing this twice to his date(after a new drink was brought) they ended up telling the date and calling the cops..the guy ended up plea baragaining to a lesser charge so he wouldnt have to plead guilty to a sex assault. So even though they had the evidence(the bartenders saved the dosed drinks for the cops) and eye witnesses nothing much is happenening to the guy! so BE CAREFUL
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Re: Be careful with drinks!
Mon, October 15, 2007 - 8:06 PMOr don't hang w/ people like that, unless of course, you're like that